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one week on food stamps. he'll join me to talk about it that exclusively tomorrow. that's cory booker tomorrow night. it should be fascinating. that's it for us tonight. "ac 360" starts now. not trying to take sides. our goal is real reporting, finding out the truth. all calls out hip pock see. this is a baffling case of flip-flopping. this is a story we reported last night and is stranger the more we look into it. it's a long story, but stay with us. on tuesday the senate rejected a u.n. treaty aimed at protecting the rights of disabled people around the world. 125 other countries ratified this, but in the full senate 38 republicans voted no leaving the treaty five votes short of ratification. what we learned today that's
interesting is some of these same senators actually supported the treaty before they voted against it. some even pledged their support very publicly. senator roy blunt of missouri was a flip-flopper and kay bailey hutchinson of texas and senator jerry moran of kansas. we asked them all to come on the program and they declined. they're silent on this. senator moran was a co-sponsor of the measure to ratify the treaty. he even put a press release back in may proclaiming his support. here he is with bob dole in june. dole, a war veteran, former republican senate leader is a long-time supporter of disability rights and a strong advocate of this treaty. just before tuesday's vote he came to the senate chamber 89 years old frail in his wheelchair. he thought it was that important to make a difference. it didn't. some of the senators like senator moran broke their word and blocked the treaty. others voted now and we don't know why. you see the names on the screen there.
today we called many and no one agreed to come on tonight? none will come on. some powerful conservative groups lobbied aggressively against the treaty. they used arguments that frankly didn't square with the facts, they weren't true, like this. >> this is a direct assault on us and our family to hand over to the state the ability it to make medical determinations and see what is in the best interests of the child and not look at the wonderful gift that every child is. >> former senator and presidential candidate rick santorum led the charge against the u.n. treaty. he brought his 4-year-old disabled daughter bella to the events warnings it threatened american sovereignty and would allow the u.n. to make decisions about disabled children in america. that's just not true. here's what senator john kerry who fought hard to get the treaty ratified said last night.
>> i have great respect for both rick and his wife, karen, and their daughter and their family. he's a strong family man. he either simply hasn't read the treaty or doesn't understand it, or he was just not factual in what he said. the united nations has absolutely zero, zero, i mean zero ability to order or to tell or to even -- they can suggest, but they have no legal capacity to tell the united states to do anything under this treaty. nothing. >> as we told you last night, former republican, repeat republican attorney general dick thornberg testified before the senate foreign relations committee in july basically saying exactly that. there's nothing in the treaty that interferes with u.s., federal or state laws, nothing. that didn't stop mr. santorum to send out this e-mail to supporters after the vote saying you did it. you made it happen.
if it weren't for you, the u.s. senate wouldn't have defeated the united nations convention on the rights of person with disability. he went on to say, quote, this treaty would have given the u.n. oversight of the health care and education choices parents with special needs kids make. had it passed, crpd would have been the law of the land under the u.s. constitution supremacy clause and trumped state laws and could have been used as precedent by state and federal judges. again, that's not true. why the fudging of facts? we asked senator santorum on the program tonight. he declined, and like the others that won't explain themselves, we can guess their motivations and frankly it's so baffling we're taking wide guesses and we don't want to do that. the treaty supporters say that politics and a paranoia about the u.n. trumped the rights of the disabled in this vote. ted kennedy jr. is a health care attorney and advocate for people with disabilities. when he was 12 years old he lost his leg to bone cancer. there's a picture of him taken with his dad six years after
that. he's a strong support either of the u.n. disabilities treaty. i spoke to him earlier today. >> it seems like you guys lost based on something that had nothing to do with the actual treaty? >> it's true. it's a sad day for people with disabilities and for the u.s. senate, because you ask yourself, anderson, who could be against a treaty that basically affords people with disabilities the same rights and opportunities than everyone else that doesn't cost the united states one extra penny. we're talking about affording disabled americans including disabled american veterans the same opportunities overseas as they have here at home. unfortunately, our cause, the cause of disability rights was caught up in u.n. politics, and the politics of home schooling and rick santorum and glenn beck, the politics of the far right that intimidated many
senators including seven senators who had verbally affirmed their support for this bill. including senator moran, who was the co-sponsor. >> he actually -- >> of the treaty. he voted against the treaty. >> he stood by john mccain's side and supported this. did he give you any reason why he reversed himself? >> i think that in the last week or so, a lot of fiction, a lot of innuendo was drummed up by senator mclee and senator santorum and others about how this treaty may impact home schooling. that has absolutely nothing to do with the treaty itself. >> this treaty does not affect u.s. law? >> no, it doesn't affect u.s. law, but i think that there weren't -- evidently they didn't feel it gave them the sort of guarantees they were looking for. in fact, when it passed the foreign relations committee on the 13-6 vote, a number of these
concerns were actually incorporated. >> this was a treaty about people with disabilities overseas? >> this is about bringing the rest of the world up to the u.s. standards, okay? so it does impact americans who travel overseas, who go work overseas. somebody with a disability who wants to stay in a hotel in a foreign country or go to work in a foreign country or hail a taxi in a foreign country. not to mention the fact that it also impacts 650 million people around the world. children with disabilities around the world who unlike the united states do not have access to a public school education. it affords them huge rights. for the united states to not been in the vanguard. we've been in the forefront of disability rights, and disability rights has always been a bipartisan cause from the rehab act of 1973 to special education where people like my dad worked with senator orrin hatch, senator weeker, so p many
other republicans in a bipartisan way because disability crosses every single socioeconomic barrier. what is upsetting about this vote is now all of a sudden disability law, which has never been political before, is now suddenly politicized. >> you had former senator dole, you had dick thornberg, former attorney general who is the father of a disabled child? >> that's correct. >> if anybody knew about the impact on u.s. law, the former attorney general of the united states would have a pretty good idea if this impacted u.s. law. >> i think that's a very good point. we did have eight republicans and i take my hat off to them, because they had to face very stiff pressure by the far right not to join with the democrats to vote this treaty. as you know, we need 66 votes, two-thirds majority to pass a treaty in the country. but we had the support of former president bush, president
herbert walker bush, dick thornberg, former attorney general who understands u.s. law probably better than anybody else in the country. we had senator bob dole and his wife elizabeth who were on the floor at the time who has been a staunch advocate for disability policy. so this shouldn't be, anderson, a partisan issue. the rights of people with disabilities. i mean, come on. yet, it has been politicized unfortunately. >> are you hoping that next year you might bring this up again? >> yes. we're going to come back. as you know, you know, it took for african-americans, for gay americans, for women, the struggle for equal rights and justice took many, many years. so too it is in the disability rights movement. you know, i just think this cause -- this treaty will happen, because it's inevitable. how can you deny the rights to millions of people around the world? so i do think it's going to come back. senator kerry has made a promise
to bring it back, and you know, we're hoping one day that this treaty will pass in the very near future in fact. >> thank you for being with us. >> nau for raising this important issue, anderson. >> there are growing fears the conflict in syria could enter an even more horrifying new chapter with possible chemical weapons. we want to talk about what it will mean to the people of syria. the death toll could be staggering. we want to see if this is hype, because given the situation with the u.s. experience in iraq, a lot of people think this is just loose talk trying to encourage some sort of intervention into syria. we're talk it to bob bear about that and also to sanjay gup fa and an activist inside syria and what he has to say about the potential threat next. y gift li. aww, not the mall. well, i'll do the shopping... if you do the shipping. shipping's a hassle. i'll go to the mall. hey. hi. y'know, holiday shipping's easy
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syrian forces are combining chemicals to make deadly sarin gas for weapons. as we told you last night nbc news is reports that syria is loading those chemical weapons into bombs. cnn has not confirmed the nbc report. all this comes amid a string of opposition victories. recently they took control of key oil fields. they saw advances in aleppo. they started what they believed to be the end battle of the wamplt if the intelligence on the chemical weapons is true, these latest advances by the opposition seem to add incentives to the syrian government to use them. the assad regime denies having chemical weapons and claims the reports are being used to justify an international invasion. after more than 20 months of fighting and more than 40,000
civilian deaths, syria's civil war appears to be at a cross roads. the fear of sarin gas is very real tonight. what are people there facing if the assad regime does use what they have or believe to have. i spoke with cnn contributor, former cia officer bob baer and dr. sanjay gupta. we talked about this last night, but explain again what one warhead filled with sarin could do. >> one of these shells and the standard shell the syrians put this in is a 122 millimeter shell, a standard artillery piece. if they were to drop this into a dense area, into damascus or a suburb of homs, it doesn't matter which town, it will instantly kill 18,000 within the first few minutes. >> from one shell? >> one single shell would immediately kill 18,000 people. you know, this is a liquid.
it's dispersed. it sticks on you. you get a few -- a little bit in your system, and you're dead. >> sanjay, what does it do to somebody who comes in contact with it? >> it affects receptors in the brain, and let me preface it by saying it's odorless and tasteless and it's colorless. it's hard to even know, you know, that it's there because of those things. also by touching it as bob was talking about, but also by inhaling it or eating food or drinking water contaminated with it, you can also get poisoned. you see this is a substance that can affect you in many different ways and you might not know it's there. from top to bot dom if someone is affected by it, it's like the on switch in the body is stuck on. the pupils are con stricted and you get headaches and develop this flushing in your nose and sinuses and become very congested. ultimately it's like the on switch is stuck on in your body, and ultimately that can lead to convulsions in the body and ultimately your diaphragm that
allow you to breathe that seizes up and leads to respiratory failure and death. >> there is an antidote. how effective is it? >> you have to give it right away sometimes protectively in a situation they talk about. when we remember overseas in some of these places, anderson, we were given kits that had atripene in it. you give it once, and you may have to give it again a few minutes later. it essentially sort of -- it works to sort of unstuck that on button, but it has to be given quickly if if it's given. >> the other thing that was alarming from what we talked about is that we think okay you can bomb these sites from the air and eliminate them, but that doesn't work. >> well, anderson it doesn't work because if you hit a site, especially if there's multiple shells at the site, it disperses the material.
it's not like we can go in with pinpoint bombing and destroy them from the air, which would be ideal if we could, because it will kill everybody in a wide swath of a city or a base. >> how do you have to -- do you have to dismantle the stuff on the ground? >> you have to dismantle it. apparently there are teams out there that could possibly go in at some point. there are 18-man teams, but you have to fight your way in. that's the problem. we're talking about an invasion of syria to really secure these sites. at the very last minute they could move it around. the intelligence is not perfect. the syrians could explode it in the middle of an attack. you just don't know. there are no good options for disposing of this stuff. >> is it known how much he has? >> i don't know how much he has. for me, the important thing is and i keep on getting this question, we heard this about iraq, they had weapons of mass destruction. >> people are skeptical about it
as a pretext by getting involved in syria. >> ints, anderson. i assure the u.s. intelligence committee was deep into their binary agents and knows about it. this is not being hyped at any level. >> let me push back on this. if this has existed in syria for all the time that assad has been in power and hasn't been used, why -- and it seems to have been stored safely thus far, where is the proof that it's, you know, been put into warheads? how do we know for sure? >> that's the question. has it, in fact, been put into warheads? has it, in fact, been mixed. sanjay can address this, but i believe you have a couple weeks to use these things once it's been mixed. we also don't know at what point would the assad regime re-sort to using sarin.
it's my hypothesis that they will if they start getting slaughtered. it could happen. they will use it. >> sanjay, for people at risk in areas where assad regime might use them r or could use them or some other group, what can they do to protect themselves? is there something you can do? >> they don't have access to medications, the at row peen for for example. you have to goit of the area, which sounds simplistic. because it's odorless and tasteless and hard to detect, you have to get out of the area. you can get poisoned by ingestion and inhaling and touching it. it can be on your clothes, for example. you get out of the way and take off your clothes or anything exposed to it. soap and water and try to rinse your body. it's a heavier gas as compared to what else is in the area, so it lingers closer to the ground. getting to higher elevation can help. these sound like simplistic
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attempt to get out of the way of the oncoming train. many of those who saw that are asking why no one got him off the tracks. the person who faced the most scrutiny is the photographer who took the picture. he joins me now. i he appreciate you being with us. before we start, you had wanted us to make clear we're not paying you for this interview. you did not request any money nor would we pay for an interview, but you wanted us to make that clear. >> correct. >> at what point did you realize something was going on? there was an altercation between this man and this other -- the alleged suspect. did you see him being -- did you see that altercation? >> no. i had entered the subway station from the 46th site, 47th street, and i had walked in about 100 feet into the station. i was not aware of any confrontation. from my peripheral vision i saw
a body flung onto the tracks, and there was a collective gasp that went into the air that really got my attention. >> you could hear a gasp from other people? >> correct. because the train traveling from north to south, and i was at athe southern end. so the wind and the sound travels that way. >> about how far away were you from mr. hahn? >> i can guess from now on hindsight and looking at the photograph how many cars were into it and where mr. hahn was. i was about 100 feet into the station, and i have learned that the new york subway station is 600 feet. he was maybe another 100 feet. so there is about i would say 400 feet. >> you had your camera in your hand and you were there for another assignment. you happened to be there. >> correct. >> what was your initial reaction? what did you instantly start to do?
>> people started waving their hands and screaming, because a few moments earlier they had made an announcement that the train will be approaching the station. i could see the distant lights of the approaching train. >> we show the one photo you took in which you can't -- it looked like mr. hahn is on the track, but you don't see the train. was the train far away at that point? >> yeah. you see out in the distance there is a little long line, and that is the lights -- those are where the lights of the train are, and they're bouncing off the rails. >> okay. so even at that point it's dark there was a train he approaching at that point? >> absolutely. >> a lot of people saw that picture and didn't see a train it seemed like he's sitting on the track, somebody could have helped him. >> right, correct. from where i was i could have screamed my lungs out and nobody would have heard it. since my camera is always in my
hand and it is always on and it goes into sleep mode, and the only way i thought at that moment was to start clicking away and using the shutter that will fire the flash. >> you thought that might warn the conductor? >> yes. make him aware this is unusual. there's a burst of light hitting him and catch mr. hahn on the track. >> this is the next photo. were you looking through the viewfinder clicking? >> no, no. it was stable, you know, and what you call on the street as shooting from the hip. >> you had just the camera just out shooting like that? >> no, out here to the side. stable and shooting. >> i understand you said there were other people who were much closer to him than you were? >> yes, absolutely. in the photograph if you look at it there may be light on the top, you see a group of people out there, and that is where the
north side of the entrance is, which is on 49th street. >> and i've been in situations where in riots where people have been beaten in front of me, killed in front of me. i've been in situations where i've taken pictures of it. i've been in situations where i intervened, and you never know. i personally believe until you have been in this situation, it's very easy to sit at home and judge based on pictures and say, oh, well, i would do this. until you've been in a situation where there's a potential threat to yourself, you don't know how you're going to react. did you realize there had been an altercation? did you realize there was a suspect, and did you see that suspect? >> i got a blur of the suspect, and i had imagined, you know, what we would do in a situation like that. but when you are in a situation or at least myself when the situation actually happened, instinct took over and all those plans that you do this and that,
they -- one reacts, and that's what i reacted and that is the best way i thought that i could alert the conductor. i started moving towards -- running towards mr. hahn, and i saw a man approaching me, and that was the person who had pushed mr. hahn. i realized because he seemed agitated and as he was approaching, he was cursing or using profanities. he went by me, and i saw him coming. i braced myself and stood on the side. >> you were worried about him doing something to you? >> yeah, pushing me onto the tracks realizing that he had just pushed mr. hahn on the tracks. >> so you're going toward mr. hahn, but this man is coming towards you, the suspect, so you go against the wall? >> correct. >> the up suspect is actually moving away from mr. hahn, and there are other people who are closer who the suspect is moving away from. so they're rhetorically if other people got involved, they were
closer to mr. hahn and farther way from the suspect than you were? >> correct. that is a correct analysis. >> so i also understand that after mr. hahn was hit and there was apparently a doctor present or there was a lady who was a doctor, i believe, started doing cpr, someone else in the crowd started to do cpr, people in the crowd gathered round and were with their cell phone cameras taking pictures? >> yes, they were. the crowd totally did it, and i had to stand and try to move them back. >> at that point were you still taking pictures? >> i moved them back and took a few shots of the stretcher and the firemen had come and there was crowd control going on. >> in retrospect do you feel you should have done something different or could have done something different? >> until one is in that situation, it's very hard to say. in hindsight i would say i would
have said, mr. hahn, run the other direction. in looking at the image on it, there were only about three cars into the station. all he had to do was outrun three cars and he would have lived. >> his wife had earlier reported he was drinking. i believe some alcohol was found on him as well, so it's unclear what his -- >> i'm not aaware of that, and i'm not aware of his interaction with his wife. >> right. for you what thaz this been like, not only to witness an event like this is horrific, but then to come under the kind of criticism you have come under from people that were not there? what is that like? >> they were not there. i look at them as armchair critics, and when you're in a situation, you realize what it is. it was a very fluid situation. the photographs are still. you see the train, and you see
mr. hahn at one spot. but in reality the train is moving towards him. i do not know what speed it is, but it was really fast. the whole thing happened really, really fast. >> i also find interesting because i read your account in the "new york post" the next day, which i found changed the way i looked at the situation, frankly, when i heard your account. that's why i wanted to have you on, because i think it's important to hear your voice on this. you didn't even know what photos you had. you brought the police back to the post office, and they looked at the photos. you really had no idea what you had captured? >> no, no idea. these photos are dark. i'm a professional. i take good photographs if i may say for myself, and these photographs were dark because my camera had the settings of times square. it was a bright day, and so was my flash count. if i had set my camera to take photographs in a subway, then i'd be fighting at full power.
the flash doesn't recharge so fast on full power unless i'm carrying a battery pack on my waist. >> have you ever seen somebody being killed before? >> no, i have never. it's a very traumatic experience, and it's like every time if i have to remember the whole thing, it's reliving it. i did not sleep to close to 36, 48 hours. >> obviously we talked about his funeral to his family, what would you say? >> as i have said earlier, if i could had, i would have saved him. it wasn't important to get the photograph. the photograph came out as a result of my effort or what i could think at that moment to do. even at this moment i think, you know, i wish i had the presence of mind to say, mr. hahn, run in the other direction. i did hear people saying, get up. get up.
but i don't know why anyone did not reach out. i live with the image -- the first night i could not sleep. i could hear the sounds. i don't want to be too graphic about it for respect for the family, but i could hear all the sounds. mr. hahn did not scream or anything. this is how fast it transpired. you look at the photograph, and it's like -- it's chilling to me even today. it's like a man looking at his end. the oncoming train, the metaphor for it, death staring him down. >> you, obviously, didn't have a say in where the photo was published in terms of it being on the front page of the paper, so i'm not going to ask you about that. i guess, again, my position on this is and it really has changed from when i first saw the images, until you're in a situation, you don't know.
i'm sorry you were in that situation. i appreciate you coming on to talk about it. >> thank you very much for having me. >> thank you. they're coming up in another story that's really a story we've been following for her years now, the youngest members of polygamist sect run by warren jeffs. they're supposed to be in school. why are they doing labor on a ranch without getting paid? "360" follow-up next. re. since ameriprise financial was founded back in 1894, they've been committed to putting clients first. helping generations through tough times. good times. never taking a bailout. there when you need them. helping millions of americans over the centuries. the strength of a global financial leader. the heart of a one-to-one relationship. together for your future. ♪
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sect members have denied any abuse took place there. now we learn that church members are busy raising money and using youngest members to do it. the church is normally reclusive community near the arizona/utah border raring venturing outside the private ranches in large groups. that's what happened this week, and gary tuchman caught up with them. here's what happened in gary's report. >> reporter: we received aa tip that warren jeffs the imprisoned leader of the lfds sect had ordered all schools closed for a week so children could go to work picking pecans off trees at a private ranch. we did not know what to expect as we drove to the outskirts 23 miles northwest of their fundamentalist enclave. the tip was true. hundreds of children, many very small, working on a ranch. they were accompanied by some mothers and a few men, but it was mostly kids. >> there they go. >> when we got out of the car,
we saw something that caught us off guard. the children and their mothers started to scatter, first slowly and then it picked up steam. they started running in the opposite direction from where they saw us and our cam rachlt the ranch is huge and they were given an obvious and urgent directive to get as far from us as quickly as possible. the paranoia among leaders is intense, and that's because they know we're here to ask questions. like why is it okay to pull all their children out of school so they can toil as free laborers? and what's happening with all the money they're making? we know the property the ranch is on is owned by a nevada businessman who is not in the flds. i reached the man's nephew on the phone. he works with his uncle. >> on that ranch we were there and saw hundreds of children from the flds, the fundamentalist latter-day saints church harvesting the pecans. we wonder if that's an arrangement you know about? the nephew said somebody else would get back to me with
answers but nobody did. we went to las vegas looking for the property owner. we went to his company's office. do you run the office? >> i'm the receptionist. >> is mr. yamagada here? >> no, he is not. >> do you know where he is? >> i do not. >> sl anyone else who might know where he is? >> nope. >> we tried to find him at his home, but he lives behind these palm trees in this private gated community. law enforcement authorities believe the money made goes directly to warren jeffs and his church. mothers of some of the children i talked to off camera aacknowledged they get no money for this work. men helping to maintain security as scores the vans and cars came streaming in were not surprisingly unhelpful. can we ask a question? can you tell us why the children are out of school and making money for the church picking pecans? as the children who spent eight hours in the field on this day continued to work, a neighbor who owned an adjacent farm let
us on her land. when we arrived, the lfds pecan pickers were chased away from us again. dorothy is a hog farmer and mother of two who says this child labor went on for a week or two for many years and says she feels sorry for the children. >> they do not let their children talk to other children or adults. >> so you see the children and they ignore you? >> uh-huh, or they run. >> they run way from you? they run away from us, but they run away from you? >> yes. in the past i've seen them here past dark and in the wintertime when it's cool. i mean, i don't let my kids out once the sun starts to go down. it's too cold for children to be out especially working. >> we went to the city hall in colorado city, arizona where the flds is headquartered to find out what was going on. this is gary tuchman from cnn. i have a question if you can come to the door for a second?
>> there's nobody here then -- >> you're here and it says 9:00 a.m. it to 5:00 p.m. and right now it's 12:40 p.m. >> right. i have no statement. you need to talk it to -- >> you don't have a statement. you don't the question yet? >> i know it. >> you know it? okay. >> mothers didn't want to talk either. >> i know there are children in the community picking pecans in the fields not far from here. what do you think of that? >> i don't care to comment, thanks. >> another mother told me off camera her kids have fun picking the pecans, but what i responded that schools were canceled for a week, she declared it's all good because it's done for god and for her prophet, warren jeffs. >> gary, it seems like it's done for the profit off this alleged prophet, warren jeffs. what are the legal implications here regarding kids not paid. these are children working for free for a profit-making enterprise.
>> i mean, there's certainly potential for legal peril here. the question is, does this landowner who is paying for this work to be done know that hundreds of children are doing the work? we don't know if he knows anything. that's why we came to las vegas to find the guy to answer questions. he's had 28 hours to respond to us, and we haven't got in touch with him yet. we also want to know what the district attorney, the prosecutor in washington county, utah thinks about this. his name is brock bellam he's a good guy. when i called him to ask him what he thought, he said i don't know anything about it. it's a well-kept secret. based on the faktds he said this raises a red flag. he's going to look into it, but right now it's too early to see what will happen legally. >> it's hard to believe somebody affiliated with the ranch didn't know the kids working on it isn't the first day they're doing it. it's incredible the owner wouldn't get back to you. you'd any he'd want to clear that up. great reporting. software tycoon john mcafee is
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